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Stargazing scientists at NASA are confident that when the next few decades humans will discover the very first signs of extraterrestrial life.

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Yet some believe it's entirely possible alien craft have already visited Earth.

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Large black flying object.

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Hey calm down calm down.

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But extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

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In this series I'm going to investigate some of the most remarkable and recent UFO sightings from around the world.

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They saw something really strange in the sky that day.

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And I'll be joined by renowned astrophysicist and space journalist Sarah Cruders.

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The thing is with something so extraordinary like this we've got to look at all the more logical explanations.

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I still think this can be explained by science.

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As together we'll separate back from fiction once and for all.

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That is an unidentified flying object.

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I knew you were going to say that and yes it is.

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It's one of the greatest UFO mysteries of all time.

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From our specially created UFO investigation hub we'll speak to experts.

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We have no conventional explanation for what we are seeing here.

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Whistle blowers.

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Anytime you step out of ranks in an organization like mine there's obviously going to be some repercussions.

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And first hand witnesses.

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There was this massive boomerang.

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It was at least a mile to a mile and a half wide.

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It was huge.

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Wow that's just spooked me now.

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And finally answer the big question.

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Are we alone in the universe?

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Whatever they are they're not of this world.

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25 years ago the night skies of Phoenix Arizona.

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The most spectacular mass UFO sighting ever recorded took place.

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A series of spectacular light formations silently crossed over densely populated cities.

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This remarkable event was witnessed by thousands of people.

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Making this mass UFO sighting one of the biggest unsolved mysteries of the modern age.

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The Phoenix Light Encounter is not the first mass UFO sighting in history.

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On the 27th of October 1954 in broad daylight a football game in Florence, Italy.

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Ground to a halt when a UFO began to perform acrobatics in the sky.

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52 years later on the 7th of November 2006 another mass sighting at Chicago O'Hare Airport.

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A saucer shaped UFO appeared to hover over the gate C-17 for at least five minutes.

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Before shooting upward punching a circular shaped hole in the clouds.

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And two years later in Stephenville Texas.

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A mile wide craft, a mothership witnessed by at least 50 residents who all tell exactly the same story.

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It wasn't anything that I'd seen before. We all looked at each other.

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I just asked are y'all looking or y'all seeing what I'm seeing.

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But as mass sightings go nothing compares the sheer scale and drama of the still unexplained Phoenix lights.

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That appeared in the night sky 25 years ago. Could these have been extraterrestrial craft?

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We'll scrutinize every detail of this incredible event to get to the truth.

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On the evening of March 13th 1997 as millions of Arizona residents settled in for an ordinary Thursday night.

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None of them could have predicted how extraordinary it would turn out to be.

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At around 7pm the first report that something strange was happening in the night sky came in from a retired police officer.

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The officer reported a series of peculiar reddish lights arranged in a V formation.

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Another witness filmed the moment the lights passed silently overhead.

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Over the next four to eight hours calls reigned into authorities.

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Multiple sightings of bizarre light formations moving slowly over the city.

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Boomeruns, chevrons, even a cube.

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It is evidence of something unknown. Could it be extraterrestrial?

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I can't rule it out.

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I'm really excited about this one, Sarah. This is a mass sighting.

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This isn't just a mass sighting. This is the largest mass sighting in history and one of the top UFO cases ever.

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And it's seen over three hours, over 300 miles.

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It just started in the Varda line. It went all the way through to Tucson.

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So surely we've got a chance of proving this.

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What I find interesting about this as well is that the US Air Force actually came out in an unprecedented move a few days after the incident in 1997.

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And they said it was them dropping flares from a walk home.

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No one has bought that.

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Whatever these mysterious lights were, we know they tracked north to south over the city of Phoenix.

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While witnesses filmed the spectacle on their home cameras.

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And we have some of their footage.

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So let's just have a look at some of the video evidence and see what you think.

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So you've got multiple light, almost like orb shape objects.

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But you've got these bright objects and a lot of people are witnessing this.

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there's a shortage of direct evidence.

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This is a good problem to have.

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We've got so many witnesses to choose from,

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and I think the first person you need to speak to, Craig,

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He was one of many who had a firsthand account

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of what happened in Phoenix back in 1997.

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Of the thousands of eye witnesses,

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who got a close-up look at the craft.

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And it's only recently he's decided to go public with his story.

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You are an eye witness.

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Can you tell me what happened to you that night?

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there was this massive boomerang.

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Huge boomerang.

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There's this massive, massive craft.

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I was about 30 feet underneath the left wing.

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indentations, you know, like the holes in a golf ball.

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It was a huge hole in the bottom of the craft.

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And out of that, poured what looked exactly like lava.

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You describe it so vividly.

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The hairs were standing up on my arms.

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I can still see it.

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I can still see the glow of that stuff.

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Was this just one incident, David?

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Evidently, other people saw other things before and after.

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I felt like I had just won the lottery.

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So what do you say to people who say,

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That was not a flare.

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It was a piece of machinery, massive.

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But what is it that you think you saw?

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I think I saw a craft from something else than this planet.

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I want to know who was inside that craft.

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I have so many more questions than I do answers.

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We're going to try and get to the bottom of this, David.

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I can't explain it.

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It's genuinely interesting.

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It's genuinely something I've never heard before.

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You do need to invest in it.

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We certainly do. Let's find out more.

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I had over 600 phone calls and they all saw this vehicle.

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Former councilman Francis Barwood reveals a dark campaign

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designed to silence the people of Phoenix.

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They put signs in the hall of the city council with my picture

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saying, talk into the 10 four lunchtubles here.

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We're talking about shadowy forces that are more powerful than governments.

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On a cool night in March 1997,

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one of the most famous UFO mysteries of all time

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played out before the eyes of thousands.

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Holy cow.

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What is it?

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A cop.

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What is it?

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A close encounter of epic proportions

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as ways of highly structured colored lights move silently

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across the cities of Phoenix and Tucson in Arizona.

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It took out most of the sky and I would say it was at least a mile to a mile and a half wide.

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It was huge.

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I issued a call for an investigation by the Arizona Department of Public Safety.

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The governor told the gathered press, TV and radio crews

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that he'd ordered an investigation into the sighting.

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Our Department of Public Safety is one of the best

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and their investigators swift action in this case is proof.

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Only to then make fun of the incident

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had all those who had reported it and claimed to have seen it.

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The break in the case came about two hours ago.

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Officers working undercover rated a home when evidence important to this case was discovered.

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The occupant was taken into custody.

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Now I'll ask Officer Stein and his colleagues

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to escort the accused into the room so that we may all look upon the guilty party.

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This just goes to show that you guys are entirely too serious.

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Inside the costume was the governor's chief of staff.

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And in a heartbeat, thousands of witnesses were ridiculed and discredited.

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Witnesses like David Parker.

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So the governor mocked the incident?

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And my co-workers then finally started laughing and I mean, oh, there's what you saw.

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Is it a man in a rubber suit?

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And that's when I just quit talking.

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Witnesses who sold the UFO with the evidence

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Witnesses who saw the UFO with their own eyes

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believe the governor's stunt was a false flag operation

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designed to divert attention.

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in which having left office, he performed a stunning U-turn.

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What did you see?

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Well, I saw a huge craft just kind of come right over.

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Unquestionably, it was a UFO.

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Doesn't mean we're being visited.

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Well, it's nothing like anything I've ever seen.

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Do you believe it was something from the U.S. government?

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No, this was totally different.

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I think this was technologically far advanced.

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This is something from another world, you know?

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And I really believe that.

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Simington not only confessed to having seen the lights himself,

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but that he believed it was an extraterrestrial craft.

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He's quoted as saying issues like this go up the chain of command

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all the way to the Pentagon.

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And that the Air Force's explanation that the UFOs were flares

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was total bunk.

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Throughout history, at least modern history,

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we've seen accounts being ridiculed, disinformation campaigns,

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particularly with the U.S. government.

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They don't want people talking about these sightings.

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They don't want people coming forward.

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or is there something else there?

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I mean, surely that is a danger to American citizens.

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That should have fighter jets all around it.

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We don't know what it was, but what we do know

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is that there is someone who is in government

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who stood up for all those people who felt like they were silenced.

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And that woman is Councilwoman Frances Barwood.

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Hi, Councillor Barwood.

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At the time of the 1997 Phoenix Light Sightings,

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Frances Barwood was Councilwoman and Vice Mayor for the City of Phoenix.

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And in the days that followed, concerned citizens turned to her for help.

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I didn't see it, but I had over 600 phone calls,

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and they all saw this vehicle passing over,

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and they watched it as it went south.

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When I brought it up at the council meeting,

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everybody just turned and looked at me,

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and it was like, wow, why do they not say anything?

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They put signs in the hall of the City Council with my picture saying,

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talk into the tin foil and she will hear you.

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So they ridiculed me quite a bit.

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Why do you think Councillor of the Phoenix Council

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was so reluctant to investigate this matter?

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I found out later that somebody told all of them, except me,

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do not talk about this.

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What are they so afraid of?

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Why don't they want to know whatever it was?

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So I did send a letter to Senator McCain.

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Didn't get an answer, sent another one.

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Found out that he sent it to the National Archives,

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which we consider the National Trash Can.

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So I kept getting kind of blocked.

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Undeterred, Francis then decided to contact the U.S. military,

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and they had a surprising explanation.

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When I tried to talk to the military,

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they told me, oh, that was just, they were sending up flares.

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Well, flares don't travel horizontally for over two hours

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and for hundreds of miles.

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That was interesting.

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If it was a spaceship, Councillor,

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how come you haven't got the American military, the Air Force there,

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flanking it with fighter jets?

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It's a dangerous place to be flying over downtown Phoenix

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and yet no military presence whatsoever.

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Well, there were.

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And the truckers that were going south

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testified that they saw military planes going after it.

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Circulating online is apparently leaked footage,

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which appears to show military planes engaging

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unknown craft in the sky above the southern states.

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On exactly the same night, March the 13th, 1997.

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If it's genuine, then the military may know more

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than they're prepared to share.

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Would you accept an explanation that this wasn't aliens,

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that this was actually military technology

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or something more down to earth?

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Well, and I thought of that except that I know some military people

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who said that was not ours

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and they were all warned that they couldn't talk about it.

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My dad said long time ago,

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he was a chief investigator for the city of New York,

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so he saw a lot of stuff.

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And he said, there's the government you see

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and then there's the government you don't see

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and that's the one you got to worry about.

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I think it's very compelling.

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It's one of the most compelling cases we've had so far,

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but it could still be military.

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It could still be weather.

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I mean, the national guard.

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Listen to the councilwoman.

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Thousands of people phone her up saying, we've just saw.

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But I think it's exciting,

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but I think we also have to have an open mind with this

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and be prepared that this could be earthly technology.

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Do you think you'll ever give up, Councillor,

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trying to get to the bottom of what happened?

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I think there's people out there that do know

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and it's frustrating

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because, you know, the public, they really wanted an answer.

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It's kind of sad that people are afraid to speak out.

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Councillor, thank you. It's been fascinating.

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Thank you.

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Well, there you go, Sarah.

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They're talking about shadowy forces

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that are more powerful than governments.

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We've got to have all the evidence and we haven't got that.

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We've got some strong evidence, but not enough.

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Coming up.

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OK, I'm not sold.

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Sarah and I bail it out

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over the official military explanation

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that the Phoenix lights were flares.

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This is actual evidence.

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That doesn't explain David Parker

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saying that he saw a massive,

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mile-wide spaceship flying over his head.

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This was a really spectacular, high-altitude display.

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And ex-MOD man, Nick Pope, breaks cover

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on another major UFO light phenomenon in Norway.

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There was even speculation that it's a mess

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with the fabric of time and space and reality itself.

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The sheer scale of the Phoenix light sighting is beyond compare.

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Three hours in duration.

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Two vast formations of intensely bright lights in the night sky.

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It's a mass sighting with plenty of evidence,

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plenty of witnesses.

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So far, we've established a V-shaped UFO

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travelled at slow speed from north to south

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across the state of Arizona

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on the evening of the 13th of March, 1997.

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Eyewitness reports and an unverified leaked video

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suggest the military may have been in pursuit.

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But in the weeks following this extraordinary encounter,

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what appears to be a carefully orchestrated disinformation campaign

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by the authorities, shamed the city into silence.

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I'm almost embarrassed that I allowed Governor Simington

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having that person in a rubber suit humiliate me

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to the point of shutting my mouth.

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We're on a mission to try and get answers

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for those Phoenix residents who were silenced 25 years ago.

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And scientist Sarah believes the key to cracking this case

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could lie in the hard data.

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Craig, I know how excited you are about this,

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but I've got some evidence that might convince you.

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Look, here's the weather chart from the day,

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and this says the weather was actually blowing towards the east

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and then swung towards the south,

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which is actually the direction those lights travelled in.

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The official military line was the light with pyrotechnic flares

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deployed by an A-10 war-tongue fighter bomber aircraft.

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These military flares produce a bright light,

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some attached to small parachutes designed to extend the time

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they can remain airborne.

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Their direction of travel relies entirely on the prevailing wind,

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and Sarah's research into the wind direction

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on mortar 13th 1997 confirms this hypothesis.

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And she's uncovered more crucial evidence

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about military activity in the area.

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At the time.

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The Maryland National Guard have come forward,

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and there's a statement from them,

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and they said shortly after the incident

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that they were actually on a training flight.

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So that explains the V formation,

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then they simply dropped flares,

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the wind direction explains the direction of travel of those flares.

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But former counselwoman Frances Barwood

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has a problem with flare theory.

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Well, flares don't travel horizontally for over two hours

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and for hundreds of miles.

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The maximum burn time of any known flare is 90 minutes.

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Eyewitness reports of the Phoenix light suggest

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they were visible for over three hours.

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Frances isn't convinced by this, nor am I.

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OK, I'm not sold.

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This is actual evidence from the military and from science.

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Well, that doesn't explain David Parker

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saying that he saw a massive, mile-wide spaceship

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flying over his head so close that he could see it in a working space.

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Do you not maybe think he was influenced

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by all these stories in the media,

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and it's just become something that it isn't?

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I think he saw this thing.

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That was not a flare.

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That was not a flare.

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It was a piece of machinery.

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Mast.

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And then this counselor, Barwood,

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pointing to a conspiracy to hush thistle.

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My dad was chief investigator for the city of New York,

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and he said, never let anything go unfinished.

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You have to find the answer.

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That's interesting, but she also mentioned her father,

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who was a New York investigator, so this is something in her DNA.

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So maybe she's just trying to fulfill his work.

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How much evidence do you need? That's all I'm saying.

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You need a huge amount of evidence.

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What I can tell you, Craig, is that this incident

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in Phoenix isn't unique.

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There was something similar that happened in Norway,

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and I spoke to Nick Pope, our MOD investigator

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and UFO expert, about it.

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Can you just talk us through this incident in Norway?

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Yeah, this was a really spectacular,

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high-outitude display.

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We see this strange...

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...inspiral pattern forming in the sky.

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It almost looks as if...

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...I don't know, waves are coming out from a central focal point.

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What was really interesting about it, I think,

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was all the bizarre theories that started doing the rounds.

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People said that it was aliens kind of making some sort of display of their power.

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There were theories about portals opening up, dimensional portals.

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There was even speculation that it might have something to do with things going on

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at the Large Hadron Collider that somehow this has messed with the fabric

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of time and space and reality itself.

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But was there a more earthly explanation to what we saw?

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There was.

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And it's those Russians.

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Turns out that the Russian Defense Ministry confirmed that at exactly that time

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and in a situation where that's exactly where it would have been visible,

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there was a missile test and the missile malfunctioned.

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Not everyone believed it, of course.

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People would say, oh, it's just a cover story.

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You know, they're trying to cover up aliens.

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But to me, I think this was a pretty clear-cut explanation.

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And this case in Norway is, of course, more than a decade old.

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Do you think it's still important that people report unusual things in the skies?

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That people aren't stigmatised if they come forward?

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It's really important that we don't end up stigmatising the witnesses.

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This was something genuinely very rare.

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So I don't blame people who looked up into the sky and said, wow.

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None of this means that people are stupid.

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It means that they're seeing things that they don't normally see.

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Do you think the fact that we've been able to explain these lights in the night sky,

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with Phoenix lights incident still more than two decades on remains a mystery?

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Do you think this just adds more credibility to what happened in Phoenix?

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Just because we've explained one strange light in the sky

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doesn't mean that we've automatically explained all the others.

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It always pays to look at this holistically

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and never focus in on just a single element of the case.

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So consider the witnesses, consider their backgrounds, their education, their experience.

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Consider the photos and the videos.

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I always say take a look at everything.

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Russian rockets may explain the Norway spiral,

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but that doesn't mean the Phoenix lights have been magically explained.

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The lesson of the Norwegian spiral is that if something seems beyond our imagination,

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it doesn't necessarily mean it's extraterrestrial.

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Now we need to take what we've learned and apply it to the Phoenix lights.

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Okay, so listen to what Nick said.

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He said, look at it holistically. Consider the witnesses.

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I mean these are credible witnesses, nurses, doctors, thousands of people.

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Now if you were on trial and thousands of people say they saw you do it,

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then you'd be faculty.

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But this isn't a legal investigation. This is a scientific investigation.

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We need data and we need facts, and we haven't got enough so far with Phoenix lights.

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Okay, so where have you gone next?

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We follow the evidence. We need to speak to someone else, someone who is at the heart of this story.

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Coming up.

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She's got a lot of documentation and she's got photographs here from 98, 2000, 2001, 2013.

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Eyewitness Dr. Lin Keetai presents game-changing photographic evidence.

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That's three orbs really close up that one.

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Wow, there's detail in these as well.

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I actually captured the same mile-wide phenomena head on, turning it into a V-shape,

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two months before the mass sighting.

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And we face the reality that the Phoenix lights case is bigger than we could ever have imagined.

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The truth of it is, is there were many sightings of these orb formations as well as different craft.

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The Phoenix lights is the most spectacular and mysterious of all officially recorded UFO encounters.

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But where are those glowing amber orbs that lace the sky?

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That's three orbs really close up that one.

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Wow, there's detail in these as well.

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Moving information across the state of Arizona, on the evening of the 13th of March 1997,

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extraterrestrial or not?

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So far we've looked at the attempts of those in power to silence witnesses through ridicule.

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So the governor mocks the incident?

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Absolutely. And discredited the whole thing as a joke.

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And how the US military tried to explain away the incident by claiming that what people saw were flares dropped in a military training exercise.

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But not everyone is convinced.

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Well flares don't travel horizontally for over two hours and for hundreds of miles.

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Uncovering the truth relies on the very personal testimony of the people who witnessed the event with their own eyes.

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Now sir, there's no doubt that I've found that the anecdotal evidence of David Parker and Councillor Barwood to be very, very compelling.

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Plus the eyewitness accounts of thousands of people who say that they saw unusual objects in the night sky.

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That's not enough for you, is it?

500
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,000
No, it's not. And with something like this, something so extraordinary, we need to follow the evidence.

501
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So I've got someone who could help us with that investigation.

502
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Her name is Dr. Lynn Keatite.

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She's a former medical doctor.

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She was a skeptic before she actually witnessed the Phoenix Lights in 1997.

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And she's now made it her life's work to try and solve this mystery.

506
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Hi doctor.

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It's a pleasure to be with you.

508
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Thank you for talking to us.

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From her home in Phoenix, Dr. Keatite not only saw and filmed the 97 sightings,

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but claims she has evidence that proves the Phoenix Lights UFO event is just the tip of the iceberg.

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There is much more to the story of the Phoenix Lights than just March 13, 1997.

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Lynn has photographic proof the UFO visited Phoenix a full two years earlier.

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My husband, who's also a physician, saw outside our bedroom window in 1995.

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Three amber orbs in a pyramid formation.

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One on top and two closely aligned underneath.

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It was an incredible experience.

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Two years later, I actually captured the same over mile wide phenomena head on,

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turning into a V shape two months before the mass sighting.

519
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Desperate for answers as to what the strange lights might be.

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Lynn put her medical career on hold and began her own investigation.

521
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I called around, found air traffic controllers at Sky Harbor International Airport,

522
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who saw the same thing at the same time.

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Anyone that comes into that airspace must call into the tower and no one did.

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So they took their high powered binoculars to look and in their own words,

525
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saw six points of light totally equidistant from each other.

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Massive span over a mile wide,

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that seemed to be attached to something.

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And the entire thing turned against the wind.

529
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So I said, so what was it?

530
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And there was silence.

531
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They could not find an answer for what this phenomenon was.

532
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Lynn continued to document these anomalous lights right up to the 13th of March, 1997.

533
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And the evening of the main sighting.

534
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So when these lights arrived, she watched closely, along with the rest of the city.

535
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:07,000
Lights seem to be gliding at rooftop level, totally silent.

536
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Some people saw a takeoff at blink speed, other people saw these orbs,

537
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detached from the main object, go out into the environment and then redock with it later.

538
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Thousands of people saw this right over their heads and there was no investigation, no explanation.

539
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And what Dr. Keats had discovered about the main sighting on March the 13th, 1997 is start link.

540
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The US Air Force was in the air that night, but it wasn't their aircraft

541
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that were responsible for the Phoenix lights.

542
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There was a call to the National UFO Reporting Center at 3 a.m. the following morning

543
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from an alleged crewman, very professional, a recording was taken of his entire report.

544
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And he stated that the military, Luke Air Force Base, sent off jets to intercept and get gun camera film

545
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of one of these massive craft hovering right over central Phoenix.

546
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As they got close, the lights started to dim and the entire thing blinked out.

547
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I mean, incredible technology to be sure that we have not seen and it's time we get this topic out in the open.

548
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Address it, accept it, so we can find out not only who's driving these things,

549
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but also move forward in our own evolution.

550
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But just to be clear, the light was not on the ground,

551
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but just because we don't have the technology yet to define what these things are,

552
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it doesn't mean they're not real.

553
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Dr. Lynn, thank you for talking to us.

554
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,000
My pleasure, keep looking up.

555
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Sir, if you weren't convinced then, are you now?

556
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She's got a lot to say and she's got a lot of documentation.

557
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Now, these photographs were taken from 1995, two years before the 1997 event.

558
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And she's got photographs here from 98, 2000, 2001, 2013.

559
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I mean, these are spectacular shots.

560
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That's three orbs really close up that one.

561
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Wow, there's detail in these as well.

562
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These are incredible.

563
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And they're so sort of well documented.

564
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I mean, something must be going on.

565
00:38:26,000 --> 00:38:32,000
The Phoenix Lights was the big event, but what we've actually got is multiple sightings,

566
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sightings which happened in the years prior, and then going on for decades afterwards.

567
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And years since.

568
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:46,000
The Phoenix Lights case began as one of the biggest and most well documented UFO cases we've had in the hub.

569
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Now, it's on an epic scale.

570
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:59,000
But soon we must come to a decision, is the Phoenix Lights phenomenon extraterrestrial or not?

571
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Okay, let's look at the evidence now and look at what we've got.

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We know that between 7.30pm and 10.30pm on March 13, 1997, under a clear sky with a light breeze,

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an apparently massive triangular shape craft passed over the state of Arizona in plain view of thousands of witnesses.

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We've got the nurse, David Parker, who gave a brilliantly described emotive description of an aircraft flying 30 feet above his head,

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so close that you could see the inner markings.

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You've got Councillor Barward, who then had her career destroyed by people above trying to suppress this.

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And as for the conventional explanation of the lights when military flares dropped on the training exercise,

578
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our research has uncovered a flaw in that theory.

579
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The maximum burn time of any known military flare is 90 minutes.

580
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The sightings went on for hours.

581
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Then we have Dr. Keatye's incredible video and photographic evidence,

582
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not just showing lights on the 13th of March, 1997, but in the years before and after.

583
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I actually captured the same over-mile wide phenomenon head on, turning into a V-shape two months before the mass sighting.

584
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It's so much bigger.

585
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It's time to reach a final verdict.

586
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:35,000
Some of the evidence is so compelling.

587
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You've got first-hand accounts from the nurse, David.

588
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That's good, yep.

589
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I mean, that was such an emotive, such a well-described piece of evidence.

590
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There's this massive, massive graph.

591
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It took up most of the sky, was at least a mile to a mile and a half wide.

592
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It was huge.

593
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This flew 30 feet over his head.

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You could see the inner workings of it.

595
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I think he saw what he thinks he saw.

596
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That is certainly a powerful account, but what I will say is interesting.

597
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What I will give you is this disinformation campaign from the governor.

598
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And as you turn, even he now thinks it was alien.

599
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I'm not going to say this is case not proven.

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I'm going to say the jury's out.

601
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I am going to say, yes, we've got a mass sighting.

602
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Yes, we've got people who believe they see, have seen something that they can't explain.

603
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I think it's a mystery.

604
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There's a lot of people who want to believe,

605
00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,000
even though there is this valid explanation,

606
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I'm going to hate myself for doing this.

607
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I'm going to agree with you that the jury's out.

608
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The jury's out.

609
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,000
You agree with me?

610
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I know, high five.

611
00:41:54,000 --> 00:41:59,000
The Phoenix Lights joins the ranks of thousands of other UFO sightings

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that cannot be fully explained by science or conventional theories.

613
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:13,000
The possibility the lights were extraterrestrial continues to hover over this extraordinary case.

614
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What is certain is that we're ever passed silently over the city that night.

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It has opened minds and raised new possibilities that we are not alone.

616
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